Itadakimasu: A Word You Say to the Food, Not the Cook

(thetokyohermit.substack.com)

34 points | by surprisetalk 1 hour ago

6 comments

  • buildingsramen 14 minutes ago
    I feel like this is intellectualizing something that isn't that deep. It's a word you say, not think about. Why do English speakers say "excuse me" after a sneeze? The answer is apocryphal and uninteresting.
  • syockit 13 minutes ago
    Fun trivia: the greeting only started to become a thing during the Meiji era as part of moral and ethics education. It may be argued that it has its roots in Buddhist teachings, but there's a theory that the drive to make it a common household practice may have come from the envoys who came back from western countries and saw the Christian prayer and thought it was a good thing to imitate. It's quite a stretch, but personally I find it quite interesting given that it was an era where Westernization was the craze.
  • dllu 53 minutes ago
    Japanese also has a word you say to the cook, ご馳走様でした (gochisousama deshita) but that's said after the meal as thanks.
  • tekla 10 minutes ago
    Its strange because I knew the point from the article already, but it kinda seems like some sort of strawman? I think many cultures have a way of saying "thanks for the food" in a universal way and not the cook. Even in western cultures there is "saying grace" and I don't think anyone would mistake it for it being aimed at the cook.
  • Michelangelo11 31 minutes ago
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    • asgraham 20 minutes ago
      Out of context it does sound like AInese. I think that’s largely because AI has a tendency to use location in very metaphorical terms that don’t quite read, and usually the idea of “relocating” a word would be exactly that kind of vaguely weird metaphorical use of location.

      However in the context of this article “relocated the word” is both literal and precise. The word’s target is in a different physical location.

      “Quietly” is also AI-coded but does fit in the overall aesthetic of the article.

    • weiliddat 23 minutes ago
      https://www.pangram.com/history/c837bbcb-4aed-43e1-987c-afe2...

      I know you're being downvoted, because people are tired of hearing "this is AI".

      But I think your comment "this is AI" is warranted. This content, explaining something of cultural, personal significance (instead of the typical technical explainer) should really be written by a human.

      • asgraham 17 minutes ago
        How good are these detectors? (Serious question— I’ve never had a reason to use one)
  • bitwize 46 minutes ago
    I always thought it was to the gods, spirits, kami, whatever "it" or "they" were that allowed you to eat. Though it could be either, or both at once; when members of Native American tribes would make a kill on the hunt, they would pay their respects to the spirit of the animal they just killed. Even if it was the spirit of a fish they had just speared, giving its life so they could eat another day.

    I kind of admire the Japanese for their capacity to live humbly and gratefully without need for a big-sky-daddy myth. The world of the traditional Japanese is full of hidden wonders; indeed, it really belongs to them, and we just live in it.

    • manoDev 13 minutes ago
    • LargeWu 19 minutes ago
      This is a really bizarre take. Praying to the small, local spirits, like the one of the animal you are about to eat, is noble and beautiful, but praying to a universal god is worthy of mockery? ("sky-daddy myth")

      I don't really care what people believe, but if you can accept and respect traditions that believe in the supernatural, which includes any spirit, surely beliefs centered around creator gods are no less plausible.